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10 October 2011 @ 10:10 am
Hunting me will only make things more difficult for you  
SO THERE WAS A SPOILER. THERE WAS A SPOILER AND I LOOKED AT IT. I AM NOT GIVING ANYTHING AWAY. BUT JUST KNOW THIS. I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS POSSIBLE TO BE THIS HAPPY. I AM WALKING ON SUNSHINE. I CAN SEE EVERYTHING FROM UP HERE. THAT THING I SAID ABOUT THIS SHOW BEING DISNEYLAND? FORGET THAT SHIT. DISNEYLAND IS GUANTANAMO BAY COMPARED TO THIS SHOW.

Right. Ahem. Serious time. I've been doing some more projecting thinking.

The more I go over it in my head, the more convinced I am that the whore James and Helen found was John's work. I think I'm 99% sure. The timing of it was just too perfect.

John had only had a relatively short time to learn to control the creature at that point, and you can bet it's not happy about it. You could see how much effort it took him to suppress it for even the few seconds he needed to prove his innocence to Past!Helen. That thing was pissed. Plus, I don't know if I'm crediting the creature with too much awareness, but I would assume it's not a big fan of Helen's. Killing would have been the only way for John to appease it. The murder would have happened almost right after he teleported away, and it just makes so much sense for that to be the first destination to pop into his head.

The main thing, though, is that gash on her cheek. There's nothing in the Spring-Heeled Jack legend about him cutting up people's faces, and why else would they have her cheek cut in just that spot? The same spot as John's scar from Helen's bullet? It's like the creature forced him to take his feelings for Helen out on another woman. Especially this is presumably the first life John has taken since Helen shot him. (Though the show has already given John more kills than were ever definitively attributed to the Ripper, so it's hard to be sure in that regard.)

So, here's where I'm at. The original murders were John. The copycat murders were Spring-Heeled Jack. But that last one? John again. I'm 99% sure.

My next task is to figure out whether or not Helen figured it out. I want to believe she did. Because that would mean that she deliberately and calculatingly kept it from James to protect John. Probably to protect both of them. And that would just make everything infinitely more amazing.

I don't know why I'm so desperate for all this to be true. But God, I am. I really, really am.

There's probably more to come. I seem to have misplaced my brain's "Off" switch. Or John broke it. Whatever.

Gillian Horvath quoted one of my tweets. You guys! Gillian Horvath! Have I mentioned lately how much I adore Twitter?

Hi, nomorefrostbite and tendre_posion! SO MUCH SANCTUARY LOVE ALL UP IN HERE, I CANNOT EVEN DEAL WITH IT. Here, have an intro post.
 
 
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one must always be prepared to liberate treasure: sanctuary [take me back!]tendre_posion on October 10th, 2011 02:03 am (UTC)
That is way too much meta for my brain to handle right now, because I was hella confused enough after finishing the episode.
we ain't ashes: tv | s | h3endlesswonder on October 10th, 2011 10:36 am (UTC)
That's okay, bb. Time travel is a cruel and unforgiving mistress. I'm sure everything I said will be proven wrong at some point anyway.

But seriously, though, I've never been able to write meta like this until now. This show, I swear. It alters brain chemistry.
one must always be prepared to liberate treasure: sanctuary [you destroyed my heart]tendre_posion on October 10th, 2011 11:46 pm (UTC)
Someone posted on Tumblr last night about Helen being pregnant with Ashley during Tempus which is why Present!Magnus was so protective of her past self, but I can't see how that makes sense, considering that it's more than likely she was actually pregnant when she shot John in the alley the first time. Someone pointed out that in the months before Tempus that she and John probably would have had sex again and my brain just cannot handle that. To her, at that point, John is absolutely NOT the man that she fell in love with, and there would be no way she'd sleep with him if he just re-appeared in her life like that.
we ain't ashes: tv | s | j/h 3endlesswonder on October 11th, 2011 12:20 am (UTC)
Ahhh, I was wondering which theory you were talking about shutting down when you mentioned it on Twitter. Helen has to have been pregnant by 1888 for the math to be even close to correct, and apart from anything else, it's the only thing that makes sense. There are actually people who think she had sex with him again? After that? I am diehard John/Helen, 100% for all eternity, but there is no. fucking. way. she would have gone anywhere near him.

People are just...I don't know. Did they ever consider that she might have been protecting herself because, oh, maybe SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DIE? Seriously.
one must always be prepared to liberate treasure: sanctuary [take me back!]tendre_posion on October 11th, 2011 12:54 am (UTC)
When someone reblogged it with their commentary and said that she would have slept with him again before Tempus/FKAC happened I just sat there and was like "yes, because all women sleep with homicidal maniacs who KILLED BITCHES WITH A RAZOR"

I think that sometimes people don't actually think about what they are saying in regards to John and Helen's relationship, because seriously, she left him for a friggin reason, and yes, she probably does still love him, but not that much. JFC.
we ain't ashes: tv | s | j/h 2endlesswonder on October 11th, 2011 02:37 am (UTC)
Right? I know I would! IT'S SUCH A TURN-ON.

I've been guilty of letting my shipper imagination get away from me a lot over the years, and I've done it with these two (including yesterday, tbh), but I know that that's my head!canon talking, and not reality. That kind of romanticising might fly with some shows, but with this show? And this ship? So not okay. But there's a lot of it going on in this fandom, and it's unhealthy.

Every time I ask myself why I'm not more actively involved in more fandoms, I can always rely on the 16-and-under fangirls to remind me. THIS IS NOT TWILIGHT. THESE ARE GROWN-UPS. WHO HAVE VERY GROWN-UP FEELINGS AND DO VERY GROWN-UP THINGS. LEARN TO RESPECT THE DIFFERENCE OR GTFO.

Edited at 2011-10-11 02:42 am (UTC)
Clarryhoo: sanctuary helenjohn itllbreakyourheart -nomorefrostbite on October 10th, 2011 03:29 am (UTC)
Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

So I replied to this in the foralleternity post, but yes, I need to be knowing this spoiler PRONTO.

Hit me up, bb.
we ain't ashes: tv | sg1 | s/jendlesswonder on October 10th, 2011 10:52 am (UTC)
Hi back!!!!!! COME INTO MY HUG. ♥♥♥

It's actually the spoiler about Helen's love interest. I CAN'T BELIEVE I AM THIS EXCITED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JOHN. IT'S MADNESS, SHEER MADNESS. So, you may already know about it, and you may or may not be happy about it. But I'd be glad to share everything I know if you'd like. :)
Clarryhoo: sanctuary thefive back in the golden agenomorefrostbite on October 11th, 2011 02:33 am (UTC)
TELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

I don't already know, bb, or maybe I do but don't realise it? But even though it's not John, which it SHOULD BE FOREVER AND EVER AMEN OR SOMETHING, you must dish. Because I need to be crushed body and soul now before I start getting idk emotionally invested again.

WHO AM I KIDDING. EMOTIONALLY INVESTED IN THE FOUR 24/7.
we ain't ashes: tv | s | h4endlesswonder on October 11th, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
Here and here and towards the end here. I'm really curious to know your thoughts!

THIS THIS THIS. 24/7/365.
Clarryhoo: sanctuary helenjames thisisfrancenomorefrostbite on October 11th, 2011 02:57 am (UTC)
KINDA LOVE BRUNO AND SHEILA.

Is that a spoiler? Saying their names? Idek. And lolllssssss at Heyerdahl WRINGING HIS HANDS IN SEXUAL FRUSTRATION AT THE MENTION OF WINGFIELD.

TRICK FROM LOST GIRL!!! <33333333333333333333

Like... idek idek how I feel about the love interest thing, because I thought I knew who it was (and it still might be, yo), but it isn't? I think because I have no idea what's going on in regards to that, i'm emotionally just blank about it.

APART FROM BEING HAPPY IT'S NOT WILL OR SOMETHING.

Basically, i'm living my life in the past. Literally. Bring on the next flashback episode so I can have more costumed porn.
we ain't ashes: tv | s | j/h 4endlesswonder on October 11th, 2011 03:02 am (UTC)
Bruno and Sheila are amazing already. I cannot wait to meet them. CA-CAW, CA-CAW.

The love interest is a completely new person, but it's unknown exactly what role she plays. I understand, though, bb. You need some time to process.

I AM ALSO HAPPY THAT IT'S NOT WILL. I do like him, but not for that purpose.

Costumed porn is the very best kind of porn. I NEED MORE OF IT NOW PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
Clarryhoo: sanctuary jamesjohn bromantic - forensicnomorefrostbite on October 11th, 2011 03:06 am (UTC)
Hearing allllll about their mad passion and seeing THOSE OTHER SCENES OF THAT OTHER KISS WITH THAT OTHER PERSON YOU KNOW WHO were very distracting.

But this completely new person is completely new to me, and therefore does not hold any actual emotional attachment so there's no JOY or SHOCK or MUCH OF ANYTHING.

Apart from being glad about that certain distinguishing feature this love interest has which seperates them from all the other possible love interests milling around. I'M GLAD ABOUT THAT TIMES TEN MILLIONTY.

AM I BEING COVERT ENOUGH?
we ain't ashes: tv | s | j/tendlesswonder on October 11th, 2011 03:10 am (UTC)
Yeahhhhhhhhh, I haven't decided how I feel about that yet. I mean, I love having him around, and I love their banter, so there's a certain amusement factor to it. As long as it stays that way, that's okay. But if any deeper emotion gets involved, I think I will start to have less positive feelings.

LOL. YES. YES, YOU ARE.
Clarryhoo: sanctuary johnikola dynamicduonomorefrostbite on October 11th, 2011 03:22 am (UTC)
Deeper emotions from him I SORTOF kindof almost half get, because he's been wanting to tap that for ages, but also kindof NOT REALLY BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS.

I know/feel/idk that he DOES have deeper feelings already, but... perhaps not an a Shippers Go Wild sort of way. IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN RIGHT NOW.

But if there were deeper hardcore emotional feelings from HER side of things, then i'd just explode in a fit of wtf.
we ain't ashes: tv | s | hendlesswonder on October 11th, 2011 03:45 am (UTC)
YES, ALL OF THIS. I know he has some kind of feelings for her that go beyond the very obvious lust, and I don't think he was completely bullshitting when he told her he loved her in 1x07.

But for her to suddenly go from "At Oxford, no one liked you" and humouring his ridiculousness and flirting with him for funsies to "Oh, Nikola, I love you, take me now" would just be insane.

And that's not even coming from a John/Helen OTP-bias place. That's coming from a logical, well-reasoned, continuity-of-character-development place.
Clarryhoo: sanctuary kate omfgwhaatttnomorefrostbite on October 11th, 2011 03:47 am (UTC)
That's coming from a logical, well-reasoned, continuity-of-character-development place.


Wait wait wait wait... hold the phone. SANCTUARY DOES THAT?
we ain't ashes: tv | sg1 | s2endlesswonder on October 11th, 2011 03:48 am (UTC)
OH, SNAP.
Clarryhoo: sanctuary henrybiggie upside the headnomorefrostbite on October 11th, 2011 03:49 am (UTC)
I WENT THERE.

yo, i'm only calling it like I see it.
we ain't ashes: p | at2endlesswonder on October 11th, 2011 03:50 am (UTC)
And you make a fine point.
Settle down, Beavischili_powda on October 14th, 2011 03:25 am (UTC)
I know you're high on Amanda stuff at the moment, but...

Psst...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0IwBzfLmJkY/Tpek75y33gI/AAAAAAAAAnw/shSkmTVjj78/s1600/2.jpg

(Yes, it's been so long I've forgotten how to hyperlink on LJ)
we ain't ashes: p | n/sendlesswonder on October 14th, 2011 03:02 pm (UTC)
Never too high for Castle/Beckett! Thanks so much! ♥
I need a meaning...quiescent on October 15th, 2011 05:46 pm (UTC)
You know...I would totally comment on your journal more if I actually watched those shows!! I should start Sanctuary...mebbe? XD
we ain't ashes: tv | da | b/aendlesswonder on October 16th, 2011 01:11 am (UTC)
Lol! Sorry, sweetie, I have been kind of fixated lately. But I'd love it if you started Sanctuary! :D