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28 June 2012 @ 10:15 am
I believe we have a debt to settle  
Being a joyous celebration of dreams fulfilled, followed by some less joyous things that I shouldn't have to say, but the stupid people made me.



You guys. That was so much more than I thought we would get. Not just the kiss, but the tenderness of the kiss. Can you imagine how long it had been since she'd been kissed like that? Or made love to the way you just know Eric made love to her? Probably forever.

AND SO MANY MORE THINGS. The tension when he stepped right up to her in front of all the girls, oh Lordy. The look on his face when she demanded that money from Bill and Lorena, I'll never get over that. (By the way, Bill and Lorena! That was fucking epic.) And the twirling and the hands and the way he stroked her shoulder and the way he admires everything about her and the way he said her name and the horror on his face when he saw what she'd done. I've never been more glad to ship anything in my entire life. There are a lot of things I still want, but we're so far beyond my wildest dreams already, and if this is all we get, I'll still be grateful.

I've never been prouder of Pam than during that last flashback scene. I've rarely been prouder of any character than during that last flashback scene. She's been suffering through this empty, meaningless human existence, knowing it's only going to get worse, and then along comes this vampire who represents everything she's been longing for, everything she's been missing. Excitement and fun and glamour and romance and life. Eric is, as Kristin put it, her knight in shining armour. She sees an opportunity to change her fate, and she grabs it with both hands, without fear or hesitation. We should all be so brave. God, I love her to pieces.

Now, Vanessa and I already had a good talk on Twitter about just how many places the haters can shove it, but let me reiterate: YOUR ARGUMENT IS ACTUALLY INVALID. "She left him no choice"? AMATEURS. What show have you been watching for the past four years? First of all, when was the last time you saw Eric Northman, Viking Vampire God Eric Northman, in full possession of his faculties and control of his body, do something that he didn't want to do? Oh, never? I thought you might say that. Second of all, he had at least two other choices. He could have healed her. Jessica restored Jason's sight. Bill fixed Sookie's broken back, for fuck's sake. And Eric's blood is many times more powerful than both of theirs. He could have healed her, glamoured her (or not, depending) and left. Alternatively, he could have just let her die (which, while seemingly cruel, would have been arguably less so than healing her and abandoning her to her lonely, miserable, syphylitic fate, glamoured or unglamoured). But he didn't do either of those things. He chose to turn her. He was captivated by her from the moment he saw her in the street, and everything he's learned of her since then has only captivated him more. He knows she's worthy of a place at his side. He stood and thought about it and chose to turn her, not because she forced him to, but because he wanted to.

And this isn't just crowing from those of the Eric/Sookie shippers who are running on flawed logic. (Which, tell me again how Eric's interest in Sookie is as pure as the driven snow and has absolutely nothing to do with her fairy blood and the power it has over vampires. Go on. I could use a good laugh.) I'm seeing the same things framed as complaints from our side of the table. Come on, people. We've suffered much to get this far, and you're playing right into their hands with this ignorant crap. Would you have preferred the book version, where he turns her against her will? Jesus fucking Christ. Just stop it.

I can't believe we're already a quarter of the way through the season. MY EMOTIONS.
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Leahlimonatafic on June 28th, 2012 02:45 am (UTC)

2) I'm kind of an Eric/Sookie shipper but she's being stupid and he can do whatever he wants, lol. You know I prefer their daddy/daughter thing but obviously the sex was a given and I really love the whole Pam backstory, so it's all fine by me! Although it's kind of awkward to be like, ERIC IS SO HOT DRESSED LIKE MY GRANDFATHER, UNF. That's a great time, haha. :| But I'm happy you're happy! ♥

people hold candles, nora: tv | tb | pendlesswonder on June 28th, 2012 03:22 am (UTC)
1) It's probably not. I don't actually have the scrobbler on my laptop, so I haven't used it properly in ages. I just cheat and put the Last.fm thing in there. It just looks nicer.

2) I know you are, but you're not the kind of Eric/Sookie shipper I'm complaining about. You're very nice and not at all stupid. Lol, I know what you mean. Glad you enjoyed it anyway. Thanks, bb. ♥

IKR? I'M TOTALLY DOWN WITH DEATH BY TANNING BED. But Eric would not be proud, so Pam's going to have to deal with her eventually. I read this awesome episode review a couple of weeks ago that disapproved of "adulterating our precious Pam time with Tara time". I HEAR THAT.
Leahlimonatafic on June 28th, 2012 03:38 am (UTC)
2) So you actually do the whole [a href=" ">Blah Blah[/a] thing yourself? Is that what you mean? I'm too lazy to do that, lol.

2) People are actually saying he had no choice? As an Eric person that is just insulting, haha. I did find it surprising but to my way of looking at it she definitely forced his hand, edging on outright manipulation, but he could have just pricked his finger and swiped her healed, wiped her memory and vanished, no biggie. ERIC RARELY DOES NOT HAVE A CHOICE. Maybe this is undoing all your good opinions of me, lol, but I did kind of doubletake at him ~rewarding her (ugh they're not toddlers but idek) for forcing his hand, but he had already seen what he had to see, so whatever works. It was definitely the best decision for her and I'm glad it paid off. Bottom line is it was consensual on all parts and that's 100% the best thing.

My vague concern is that all this BABY IN THE GUTTER/ETERNAL COMMITMENT/BLAH BLAH IMPORTANCE is trying to lead into kickstarting Pam's maker reflexes, without which Tara would undoubtedly fry herself to death and we'd all be for the better. She only turned Tara to try to get Eric back (which oh honey, because Sookie has little to no sway with him these days and she was fine with losing what she lost, so LOL DEAD TO ME, PLUS HE GOT ABDUCTED BY THE GOVERNMENT) and that kind of expressly goes against how he made her and presumably the principles that he instilled in her. So that song from Grease just got stuck in my head she probably feels like she better shape up before he gets back. WHICH WE DO NOT NEED.

She did say she'd done this before; do we know anything about that? You're the Pam person, lol.

Sorry this exploded. :/

Edited at 2012-06-28 03:42 am (UTC)
people hold candles, nora: tv | tb | e/pendlesswonder on June 28th, 2012 05:51 am (UTC)
1) No, nothing like that. You just have to put Artist - Title | Powered by Last.fm. It creates the link automatically.

2) They actually are, and it's fucking ridiculous. She definitely played on the feelings she knew he had for her (not that he was desperately in love with her or anything, but you know what I mean), and she forced him to decide on the spot rather than in his own time, but that's all. Don't worry, my good opinion of you remains intact. :P

I know. She's so desperate, she'll do anything. My poor darling. He's probably not going to approve of the way she went about it, because of yeah, principles. (Which Eric himself obviously learned from Godric, who asked Eric's permission before turning him.) But hopefully, he'll get why Pam did it and see that she's stepping up and taking responsibility, and he'll understand. As long as he's finally settled down. For fuck's sake, Eric. Sookie is fine. LOOK AT YOUR PRIORITIES. (That song's stuck in my head now, too.)

WHY YES I AM THE PAM PERSON. And yeah, I've forgotten the specifics, but she talks about it here. It's from the S2 Blu-ray special features.

Don't be sorry! I could talk for days about this show, but I know hardly anyone else who wants to, lol.
Leahlimonatafic on June 28th, 2012 06:57 am (UTC)
1) 1 this time, lol whoops. Weeeeird. Definitely prettier. I will try that!

2) It was a little petulant, maybe, but it was her only opportunity. It was either die or be undead, and she saw either of them as better than living. Anyway, the amount of animosity to be found in these sorts of situations is stunning. There's constantly this hatred of Damon from TVD which is generally ridiculous; that's the only other thing I can think of which has such heated debates as there seem to be with this, about shit that does not matter. I'm not in a lot of fandoms right now bitches be cray, and aside from Eric and Pam and a few others occasionally I really don't care that much about True Blood in a plot-related way. It is just so crazy, lol. All that shit about Sookie's magical fairy vagina was okay for like, ONE EPISODE, but it is way beyond time for those kids to make up. OH WELL I GUESS, LA DI DA.

That's why it's so nice when showrunners give half a fuck about what the audience wants, coughCastlecough. Anyway, I am up for a ramble most of the time, lol. Thanks for the link - oh, continuity, what art thou. Sigh. Why would Eric let a one-year-old turn someone? Um, sure. :/

Edited at 2012-06-28 06:58 am (UTC)
people hold candles, nora: tv | tb | p2endlesswonder on June 28th, 2012 10:43 am (UTC)
2) I'll admit, I do actually like most of the characters on the show, but I don't have strong feelings about their plotlines. I just roll with whatever. But the fandom is wanky and rage-making and quite scary. I WISH WE COULD ALL GET ALONG LIKE WE USED TO IN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

You're welcome. I have no idea. They were probably taking a half-hour break from sex and got bored or something. I guess the showrunners figured not that many people would see it?
Leahlimonatafic on June 28th, 2012 11:04 am (UTC)
1) Just to resurrect 1 for a sec, I tried it and it didn't work. :/ IDEK.

2) Yeah, ditto. I pay 100% attention when Eric is around, though. I am all over that. /shameless

There's no point holding out for continuity most of the time. "I haven't seen my maker in much more than 70 years! We hung out in WWII!" Lol, whatever you say, show.
Shannon: MS PAINTkungfuwaynewho on June 28th, 2012 03:29 am (UTC)
It's so funny, I'm sort of an Eric/Sookie shipper in theory, in that I think better writers on both show (sorry) and book could make it work, but it doesn't really work for me in either place, and yet it should work? So I just sort of like them but don't really care all that much.

But I am really, really loving Eric/Pam so far this season, having never shipped them before at all. Stellar stuff. And this last episode - that was Raelle, wasn't it? They need to make her EP for real next year - was so great. I love the subtlety with which we see Pam learning about the responsibilities makers owe to their children while she's totally cut Tara loose - I can't wait to see where that happens.

And of course the whole lead-up to his decision to turn her. So often in vampire media, it's solely the choice of the vampire doing the turning. Or, if not, it's usually played as some kind of dramatic irony, where the person who begs to be turned later regrets it horribly (Interview With the Vampire and Louis is the best example of this). What I loved is that not only did Pam have complete agency, it was the absolute right choice for her. This is who she's supposed to be, and she realized it immediately and made it happen. I find myself looking from her to Sookie and just shaking my head.
people hold candles, nora: tv | tb | pendlesswonder on June 28th, 2012 06:21 am (UTC)
Aw, that's okay. God knows I complain about the writers often enough. I actually don't mind Eric/Sookie in the books. (The latest one is sitting on my nightstand waiting for me to read it.) I'm not invested in them, but I can deal with reading it. I can't imagine myself ever shipping it on the show. Though between Bill/Sookie in the early days and then Eric/Pam from S3 onwards, I guess I haven't really given them/myself a chance. But even if I did, I still don't think I'd like it.

Yay! That makes me so happy. I've been shipping them for ages (even though I know nothing's ever going to happen in the present day), so I've been waiting and waiting for these flashbacks. I'm so glad you and others are enjoying them so much, too. It was Raelle, yes. Isn't she fantastic? I wish it could be her taking over as showrunner next season. It's been amazing watching Pam grow as a character over the years. It's a great credit to Kristin. And to the writers as well, in this case. (Since so many of the characters haven't grown at all, lol.)

I loved the way they chose to depit her turning. It was the perfect fit for both characters, especially Pam. Like it says in the books, she was born to be a vampire. I know how you feel. I'm always shaking my head about that. Eric! Why would you want Sookie? YOU'VE GOT PAM. SHE'S A THOUSAND TIMES MORE AWESOME AND SHE'S RIGHT THERE.